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Re: I want the last post Here!!!

Postby Scott1x » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:06 am

gubatron wrote:Scott1x, did you see the demonstration for Google Compute Engine and how fast it can compute with nearly 1 million cores?

If that's what they're going to be leasing to the public, I cannot imagine what some organizations with a lot of power already have to brute force whatever encryption we think is too strong.

Yes, I HAVE seen it and there are those that are actually more powerful. In many cases, it is not that it is impossible to crack a password, it really isn't, but it can be made to take so long and be so difficult, and require so many resources that is is simply NOT worth the effort or practical to accomplish. I have areas of my disk that are triple encrypted with 2048 bits of hash seed. There is NO KNOWN way to crack that. Okay, it could be discovered tomorrow, but for the moment, it is SECURE!

A password that takes a few centuries to crack and tera-tera byte drives to store the hashes is, for all practical purposes, secure.
We can never be safe, but we CAN be safer.

Many, even most, compromises are probably due to social engineering, not due to super computing cracking. So, KEEP IT SECRET!

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Re: I want the last post Here!!!

Postby gubatron » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:05 am

Do you mind if we take some of the posts you have here and put them on the FrostWire blog?
http://catfangz.com/frostwire/

We'll give you attribution and link backs from the FrostWire blog.
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Re: I want the last post Here!!!

Postby gubatron » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:05 am

or better yet, I can give you access to the blog, you post a draft, we check it, then we release it
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Re: I want the last post Here!!!

Postby Scott1x » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:12 am

gubatron wrote:Do you mind if we take some of the posts you have here and put them on the FrostWire blog?
http://catfangz.com/frostwire/

We'll give you attribution and link backs from the FrostWire blog.

Not at all! I thought I had told you that you were free to use it. YOU ARE (and frostwire forum admins) FREE TO USE any and all posts from my web page of frostwire help text.

:D

You may reformat and reasonably edit to have it fit your format.

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Re: I want the last post Here!!!

Postby gubatron » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:13 am

you know you rock right?
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Re: I want the last post Here!!!

Postby Humanoid » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:30 pm

Wow, quite the branch-off there, lol.

I think The_Fox's concern was profile information being shared to other users on the chat. I believe creating an alternative Twitter or Facebook account takes care of that. The information wouldn't be stored on the server anyway. NickServ passwords are encrypted in the database, and email addresses are hidden from the public.

There should also be the option of simply connecting as normal, without logging in through a third-party account.
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Re: I want the last post Here!!!

Postby Scott1x » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:45 pm

Humanoid wrote:Wow, quite the branch-off there, lol.

I think The_Fox's concern was profile information being shared to other users on the chat. I believe creating an alternative Twitter or Facebook account takes care of that. The information wouldn't be stored on the server anyway. NickServ passwords are encrypted in the database, and email addresses are hidden from the public.

There should also be the option of simply connecting as normal, without logging in through a third-party account.

It must be nice to be so trusting. AND, honestly, the probability is that there will never be a problem with even simple precautions, so I'm not really knocking you. However, I DO think it makes sense to understand the risks and preventions.

First, it enhances the mind, increases knowledge and allows you to make informed decisions. ALL good things.

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Re: I want the last post Here!!!

Postby gubatron » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:23 pm

so, we figured that adding an HTML5 based IRC client would introduce a bottleneck since we'd still have to have a server side component that would proxy requests between users and the IRC server... (and the whole world is on the boat with all the HTML5/Javascript craze that doesn't even support real sockets)

so anyways, after some research, we're about to remove PJIRC which was (code wise) pretty unconventional and hard to maintain and extend when compared to how people code in java in 2012

we found this which support a bunch of communication protocols on top of IRC (which they say they've abandoned) and I'm sure we're going to be able to re-imagine what we'll be able to do with this in the context of FrostWire
https://jitsi.org/

it's LGPL, it's active (just saw a commit from 10 mins ago) and the code is readable.

Please take a look at it and let us know what you think and what you think about getting rid of the ugly and old PJRIC client we have currently
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Re: I want the last post Here!!!

Postby Scott1x » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:39 pm

It does look interesting. I get the idea it sill may be a TAD buggy with not a lot of support, though this will change as it matures. I'm not sure I'd be rushing into it yet unless you could get a dialog going with the developers. That could benefit both!

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Re: I want the last post Here!!!

Postby Humanoid » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:44 pm

Abandoned IRC? That doesn't sound good, lol. Replacing IRC would be like kicking out half (or more) of our current userbase. :?
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Re: I want the last post Here!!!

Postby gubatron » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:16 pm

I just hope the support is decent, if it's not we'll have to find something else.

If not, there must be a way to make IRC compatible with XMPP
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Re: I want the last post Here!!!

Postby Scott1x » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:31 pm

gubatron wrote:I just hope the support is decent, if it's not we'll have to find something else.

If not, there must be a way to make IRC compatible with XMPP

What are you hoping to find? An IRC client that functions through the IRC network, or:
A text communication client hosted on a computer you control,
An audio/video/Text client that you host
OR
Functions through another network?

Just what do you hope to have in place?

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Re: I want the last post Here!!!

Postby gubatron » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:39 pm

an extensible IRC client that looks great and that's easy to maintain.

When I talk about "extensible" I think about being able to extend it's functionality with a plugin architecture so I can enrich the user experience and make it smarter, to assist you when chatting and to let community members help us develop such plugins. I want this plugin functionality to enable FrostWire's core to integrate with the chat, for users to share things like magnets, search queries.

This thing however could allow for other forms of communication, but I'm not sure if we should even get in the waters of video communication, we'd probably strip down all the functionality to a bare minimum and then add it back as necessary since we'd like to keep our installer as light as possible.
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Re: I want the last post Here!!!

Postby Scott1x » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:53 pm

Okay, the bottom line is an irc client that is modern, flexible and FUNCTIONAL! It needs to be reasonably light weight with a small cpu utilization and memory foot print. What ever client you chose, it does need to seamlessly integrate with the server, so it would appear that this could be a two pronged approach. Do you intend to run your own server, or are you going to be leasing the server facilities?

If you are leasing, and have a source in mind, the server question is answered and you need a client that integrates with the facilities you've mentioned. As we know, not all IRC servers are created equal!

It is one HELL of a project!

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Re: I want the last post Here!!!

Postby gubatron » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:05 pm

well, I was thinking of using whatever it's on now. If our work with the IRC client starts to pay off in good experience I think we'll start seeing the number of users trying to sign in to the servers grow and then we'll get creative in terms of hosting multiple servers to run a network that can hold anywhere above +2000 concurrent users (any clue what's the peak nowadays?)
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